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Is George ‘Jello’ Monbiot too chicken to debate ‘Global Warming’ with an expert?

July 24th, 2009

A couple of weeks ago, you may have seen, I wrote a piece in the Spectator which drove the  global warming alarmists almost insane with frothing indignation. It was an interview with the Aussie geology professor Ian Plimer whose bestselling book - Heaven And Earth - is being hailed as the great turning point in the debate on anthropogenic global warming.

Methodically, rigorously and above all scientifically, it carefully demonstrates to the lay reader truths that to large swathes of the scientific community are  already quite obvious: viz that “climate change” has been happening for 4,567 million years, regardless of man’s presence on earth; and that “climate” will go on changing regardless of what idiotic, ineffectively and mind-boggling expensive ploys man adopts to try to stop what is in fact a perfectly natural process.

Enough detail: read the piece; then read the book; then make up your own mind.

The climate change alarmists, though, do not even want you to do that. What they’d much rather you did was go onto the internet, find a page of nit-picking quibbles put up by a parti-pris computer modeller from the “man is doomed,  it’s all our fault and we must spend gazillions on windmills now” brigade, write Professor Plimer off as a complete crank.

It’s what they do to Christopher Booker; its what they do to Professor Pat Michaels at the University of Virginia; its what they do to Marc Morano at the marvellous Climate Depot website; it’s what they do to Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick who exposed the “Hockey-Stick curve”; it’s what they to do anyone who produces inconvenient truths which undermine their cause and threaten their claim that there is any kind of scientific “consensus” on climate change.

It’s a classic ploy of eco-fascists and libtards alike: if the facts are against them - as they usually are - they’ll always try to shut down the debate by taking the argument ad hominem instead.

The response of the Guardian’s resident eco-moonbat George Monbiot was a case in point. He sputtered that I knew about as much about the environment as he knew about F1 racing; and wrote a huffy piece effectively saying that Plimer too far beyond the scientific pale to be taken seriously.

Plimer’s response? To offer to fly from his native Australia at his own expense and publicly debate with Monbiot at the time of his choosing. The event would be conducted under the auspices of the Spectator and would, I’m sure, be informative, exciting and sublimely entertaining.

I say “would” because I don’t think it’s ever going to happen. Here is George Monbiot’s response to the challenge:

“Sir, Ian Plimer challenges me to debate his claims about climate change. I accept.

In fact I accepted a fortnight ago, when I began this debate by taking him to task. Along with other critics, I have laid out a list of specific errors of fact and misrepresentations, which he uses to support his argument.

The ball is now in his court. To participate in this debate, he should answer the points I listed, as well as the other issues raised by Tim Lambert, Ian Enting and David Karoly. Then we can reply.

But Plimer, as far as I can discover, has yet to produce any specific response to the very serious allegations made by his critics, preferring to heap insults on them instead.

These are all scientific matters, some of which are complex. To engage in this debate, we need to establish the facts and provide references. This is why it is better to debate these issues in writing; ideally, as Plimer’s critics have done, in electronic format, so that people can follow the links. Attempting to resolve these issues in person is likely either to become extremely boring or to degenerate into a slanging match. The Guardian’s website is open to him, and we look forward to his responses. Is he up to this, or will he keep ducking our challenge?

The floor is his.

George Monbiot”

Now does that read to you like the letter of a man who is happy to venture his reputation in the cut and thrust of open debate?

Or does it read like the squirmy, weaselly get-out of a no-good, snivelling, yellow-bellied, milquetoast loser quite terrified of having the massive holes in his puny argument mercilessly exposed in public by a proper scientist who actually knows his subject inside out?

Plimer, meanwhile, has imposed no conditions on the debate. All he asks is that it be conducted in public and that Monbiot turns up.

The ball’s in your court Monbiot and let’s have no more of that legalistic wriggling. Are you up for this debate?

Or are you - as I strongly suspect - going to bottle it?

5 Responses to “Is George ‘Jello’ Monbiot too chicken to debate ‘Global Warming’ with an expert?”

  1. Thomas says:

    I see that Plimer has agreed to answer Monbiot’s questions before holding a debate.

    I sincerely hope that between you, the spectator and the guardian a video of the debate is made available on YouTube or wherever.

    Some proper, highly visible, adult behaviour & debate on both sides of the argument (i.e. no witchhunting and name calling) would be good for everyone.

    Willing something to be true does not make it true - and I hope people will learn from this debate that they really must start thinking for themselves instead of drawing conclusions from graphs going up in the same direction, and lazily accepting “consensus” as fact without first thinking about it for themselves.

  2. guthrie says:

    Seriously, if you think Plimer has the facts right, you should do some investigation. All the evidence is against plimer. Your childish name calling just makes you look unhinged.

  3. guthrie says:

    Ohh, I’m so flattered, you take time out from your busy schedule of ranting to tell me to do my own research.
    Oddly enough, I have done. Read the IPCC reports, read the blogs, read a number of papers, books etc. It took a few years mind you. The end result? I am more convinced than ever, because of the overwhelming scientific evidence. Obviously you are free to ignore the evidence, and it seems likely that you will confirm the stereotype and continue to do so.

  4. Michael Hunt says:

    Great article. People definitely need to see the real threat that global warming has on our world climate and beginning with green energy in our own homes is crucial. If everybody just does something small for our environment then results will be huge! I’ve looked into the several home green energy solutions and one that appears very impressive at present is magnetic energy. Heres a link to an great article I recently read about it: <A href=”http://ezinearticles.com/?Magnetic-Energy-Generator—A-4-Hour-DIY-Project-That-Will-Save-You-Thousands-Every-Year

  5. Burt says:

    It’s interesting if you look at the email history of this debate between Monbiot and Plimer. Prof Plimer had agreed to answer those very same questions five months ago after they were sent to him by Monbiot back then.

    So when a debate finally happened on the Lateline program on national TV in Australia, it was very hard to believe that Prof Plimer had not found the references after five months! It really seemed that Plimer was using obsfuscation to cover his deception – which made it worse. Monbiot’s frustration and needling style on Lateline is understandable given Plimer’s ongoing avoidance in answering those very fundamental questions. If those points of Plimer’s are wrong, Plimer has no case.

    This is not an insignificant point. Plimer is an academic, and uses his academic profile as a platform for his message. Sure, the seemingly overt deception by Plimer is not in a peer-reviewed paper (we now know why), but never-the-less, climate change is a important public issue regardless of whatever viewpoint one has.

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